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WYSIWYG Rule and Default Gear
I have a question about the WYSIWYG rule as it pertains to default gear. Some gear is listed as carried by all models, even though the models sold by Games Workshop don’t always include them. A common example is the tactical space marine. Under the latest codex, it has power armor, a bolt pistol, frag and krak grenades, and a boltgun. The power armor and boltgun would be hard to dispute, but what about the grenades and the pistol? Some models have pistol holsters and some don’t. Some have 1 grenade, some have 2, some have none. I’ve never seen an entire army modeled with both types of guns and two different types of grenades. That would look pretty silly. Is that what it would take to avoid violating of the WYSIWYG rule, or are such models just assumed to have their default gear stashed somewhere on their person? I’ve been playing the later, but I would like to know if there are any opposing viewpoints before the upcoming tournament.
There is. Check out paragraph five in the "army selection" section of Da Rulz pack.
"Da rulz" pack? Huh?
Are we looking at the same game? I know "Gorkamorka" had a book called "Da rulz", but not 40K. What page of which book are you looking at?
The only mention of WYSIWYG that I can find in the newest edition of the 40K rule book (both hardcover and BOTH books for Assault of Black Reach) is for characters (pg 47), which states that character models should be completely WYSIWYG so people know exactly what they are facing.
Thats it.
Edit:
Oh oh OHHHHH!!!! You're talking straight Ard Boyz rules. Ok, now I get it.
Yeah, basic weapons should be shown (and whether they've beother small upgrades like that.
It's mentioned in the 'Ard Boys tournament rules pack.
Small omissions like grenades and pistols are generally fine, unless there was something sneaky going on. Ork Trukks claiming that a Big Shoota is a Rokkit Launcha (or worse, a non-existent gun is some big Rail Gun) is not fine. The biggest problem we usually run into is vehicles. They need to show their gear and upgrades. As far as infantry goes, it's generally about parts such as proper power weapons, special guns (like plasma pistols), actually having all their extremities. I have to ceed the lack of paint, but I won't let filthy unfinished models on the table. Sadly, the forumites don't really have these issues.
"Yeah, basic weapons should be shown (and whether they've beother small upgrades like that."
Well, the tactical marine models that come with the Assault on Black Reach box do not have a bolt pistol and only have one or zero types of grenade. So just so we’re clear…you’re saying that players who bought this set should NOT get their pistol and grenades even though the codex rules that were released around the same time say they get them and the points that they pay include them? I like Seth’s interpretation of the WYSIWYG rule better.
No no...what I mean is all you really have to show is their primary weaponry. You don't have to WYSIWYG grenades or secondary weapons.
For example, a standard IG infantryman has
Flak armor, Lasgun, close combat weapon, frag grenades.
His primary weapon is of course the lasgun, and pretty much all the IG models show that. As for the frag grenades or CCW, you don't have to worry about modeling them at all.
But, when you upgrade a model they get a different primary, like a missile launcher or flamer, etc. So those need to be shown. Pretty much any upgrade you give a model needs to be shown in some way.
Oh, now I understand what you mean. Yeah, I agree with that completely.
One other thing.
Your first post asked to know if there are opposing viewpoints before the upcoming tournament.
The answer is: "Yes, it's 40K. There will always be opposing viewpoints that will not be clear, and rules ambiguous enough to be open to sneaky abuse and innocent confusion." The trick is not to attempt close all the loopholes. That would be foolish--and will never be 40K. But, rather to just follow the compass of fair and fun play.
Believe u me, I know about opposing view points. If the rules said that the sky was blue, there would be someone arguing the next day that they intended it to mean orange. If an argument is inevitable, I would like to have it before the tournament instead of during. Two and a half hours is just not enough time for debating. That being said, my question is very specific: If a player is using a standard bolter wielding model to represent his standard bolter wielding space marines (or chaos space marines), and those marines have no upgrades what so ever, do they actually get the equipment that their profile says they do (ie grenades, pistol, etc.) Is there anyway to get a ruling on this specific question from whoever will be judging this thing before the tournament starts?
Yeah, that's fine. They do get the equipment that thier profile says they do get.
I wish 40K said the sky was blue or orange. Usually it's more like, "If you and your mate agree, the sky is a pastel blue with a +1 to ballistic skill if LOS is within elevation; otherwise the sky is grey-blue and all skimmers get an extra turn of movement, keeping in mind the little boxed rule hidden later in this book that clearly states that since sky is always teal no one with a sense of fairplay would hide all their warmarmots in the deployment zone."
Jeez Seth, if you tell everyone what’s in the new Planetstrike supplement no one will buy the book!
Last time I checked there is no more WYSIWYG rule.
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